Kool Keith & Ced Gee Talk Keith Flint Of The Prodigy’s Impact On Ultramagnetic MCs’ Legacy

New York, NY – Ultramagnetic MCs’ seminal 1988 debut Critical Beatdown paved the way in which for underground rap’s aesthetics sample-based boom-bap manufacturing, unorthodox rhyme cadences with futuristic lyricism and absurdist humor.

In the 90s, the Bronx legends affect additionally stretched throughout Hip Hop when Kool Keith went solo together with his groundbreaking “various rap” venture Dr. Octagon and pornographic aspirations on Sex Style in 1997.

Meanwhile, British digital band The Prodigy propelled rave tradition and digital music into mainstream retailers similar to MTV and various rock radio stations throughout the Atlantic that very same 12 months.

The two acts had been mates and occasional collaborators and their viewers embraced Keith’s eccentric music. When The Prodigy’s longtime frontman tragically handed away on March four, many followers had Kool Keith’s memorable sampled lyric within the group’s multi-platinum single “Smack My Bitch Up” from their breakthrough third album The Fat Of The Land.

We talked with Kool Keith and his 30-plus-year rhyme associate/co-producer Ced Gee about The Prodigy’s influence on Ultramagnetic MCs’ profession into 90s, Keith’s label drama with Sony over his album Black Elvis/Lost In Space 20 years in the past, and his profitable pompadour wigs.

Kool Keith & Ced Gee Explain Their Big Payday Collaborating With The Prodigy

How did you join with Keith Flint and The Prodigy once they sampled Ultramagnetic MCs’ “Give The Drummer Some” for his or her hit single “Smack My Bitch Up” in 1997?

Kool Keith: They had referred to as me up. Liam (Howlett The Prodigy) was an incredible good friend anyway.

Ced Gee: Let me inform how he acquired his quantity. What occurred was they had been working with the president Next Plateau Records] Eddie O’ Loughlin on the time, he cleared the pattern, so Eddie stated, “Why don’t you simply do it contemporary with Keith?” Because I used to be working at Next Plateau on the time as the pinnacle A&R and we gave them Keith’s quantity and that’s how the attain out turned. That’s how they began working collectively.

Did you could have any private connections with Keith Flint and the Prodigy past recording within the studio?

Kool Keith: Yeah, I did reveals with them when the file got here out. I did one or two reveals with them. One them in New York and one other I believe in Melbourne, Australia. I used to be backstage with them and he was a cool particular person. They had so much champagne, so much women and funky digital music. That was a pleasant tour on the market with them and for the primary time it was good that I had actual enjoyable with these guys. I believe Ced and I had been in Europe one time and in addition with Kut Masta] Kurt and we went over to their label to speak another stuff and offers. But they had been at all times on the street. I went over there to attempt to money a verify however couldn’t money it and it had Maverick (Records) on it.

That’s Madonna’s label Maverick. Why couldn’t you money it?

Ced Ged: He will not be a European citizen so that they’re not going to money that verify as a result of they will’t tax him. That’s why they’re trying to deport 21 Savage. His inexperienced card ran out as a result of he’s been over right here caking up they usually can’t tax him, so he’s gotta go. Every nation needs to tax you and that’s why they ask you getting f the aircraft…

Kool Keith: I heard he acquired out that. Does it present that he’s cleared now?

Ced Gee: No. That means he did a deal. Just such as you do a take care of the IRS, that imply’s he’s gonna pay taxes. That’s all they needed. There by no means actually was nothing apart from having him pay once they discovered his inexperienced card had run out for thus lengthy they usually had been like, “Look, you owe this. You both pay otherwise you go away.”

Kool Keith: Yeah, so anyway, we had been on the lookout for the group The Prodigy] they usually weren’t there. I by no means might catch them at dwelling. Keith Flint and people guys at all times had just like the bizarre haircuts and stuff like that.

Keith, the British industrial music scene appeared to uphold your music like on Dr. Octagon together with The Prodigy in 1997.

Kool Keith: They had one other album (Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned) with the massive lips on it the place they sampled our stuff, too.

Ced Gee: Yeah, on the Warner ASCAP pattern statements however can’t bear in mind f hand. Editor’s be aware: The songs that includes Kool Keith had been “Wake Up Call” and “You’ll Be Under My Wheels”]. It didn’t generate like “Smack My Bitch Up,” however nonetheless.

Kool Keith: “Smack My Bitch Up” was a sensational hit f The Fat Of The Land which offered over three million copies. We had licensed platinum plaques for that.

How large was your verify from the “Smack My Bitch Up” pattern?

Ced Gee: I used to be below a levy from the IRS at the moment. The “Smack My Bitch Up” pattern paid f the levy which was about $100,00zero. After it was over and all corrected, I nonetheless had $18,00zero. That’s how candy that was (Laughs). I acquired that, so think about what the Ultramagnetic MCs] made.

Kool Keith: I by no means needed to run round to chase that cash and I used to be supplied for effectively. And I hope that band didn’t break up, however Keith was such an essential particular person because the lead singer within the band. That’s like Michael Jackson in Jackson 5, Kurt Cobain, so it’s sort laborious. Usually an individual goes lacking just like the drummer or the horn participant however while you acquired somebody like that’s Ron Isley within the Isley Brothers gone, the lead particular person. He was the nucleus that band.

Kool Keith Talks 20th Anniversaries Dr. Dooom, “Black Elvis/Lost In Space” & His Wigs

This 12 months marks the 20th anniversary 12 months your albums Dr. Dooom First Come/First Served and Black Elvis/Lost In Space, Keith. Can you speak in regards to the inventive course of these albums and your try and get f your main label take care of Sony following the latter launch?

Kool Keith: What occurred was Sony took Black Elvis and was attempting to carry it on the shelf. So, Dr. Dooom was the mad model Black Elvis, mainly to be like grumbling. Being that they had been holding the album, I did one other album and that was Dr. Dooom as a result of I used to be getting mad within the ready course of and the mad particular person like “Fuck that, I’m gonna this out as a result of Sony’s not placing out Black Elvis.” All the songs had been mad, however it was one other man with the identical wig. Ced Gee laughs]

And I wasn’t restricted by a file firm. I put it out by Nu Groove Records] within the Bay Area. I stated, “To hell with it, fuck it” and at the moment I felt like I created one other particular person as a result of the key label scenario.

You labored with Kut Masta Kurt, Motion Man, and Jacky Jasper who had been all Bay Area artists on Dr. Dooom’s First Come/First Served.

Kool Keith: Yeah. When Ultramagnetic MCs] first went to the Bay Area for the Jimmy Jam present, it was me, Ced, Moe and Trev, we had a present in Oakland and had been doing a little stuff in San Francisco, that was simply our life normally. And that’s when Dr. Dooom took place.

Ced Gee: That’s the way you attached with Kurt. We did a radio interview on the market.

Kool Keith: Yeah, Kurt was a fan.

Ced Gee: He had a university radio station present for him. And for Jimmy Jam, there was like an underground TV station that aired throughout Oakland and it was sort cool as a result of individuals had been calling in reside.

Let’s discuss that memorable Elvis pompadour wig. I heard an interview on Ed Lover’s radio present while you stated followers had been mad at you in the event that they didn’t see you put on it in public again then.

Kool Keith: Oh yeah! I imply that wig was making me $7,00zero an evening, so I couldn’t not love the wig. But it was simply laborious as a result of they didn’t know the protocol the wig, taping it on with actual glue each night time, like actual cement glue on my sideburns. I had to make use of some sort stuff to get it f like benzene, stuff you utilize to take away paint each night time and the wig was crammed with water inside from sweating and I needed to pour it out Ced Gee laughs].

It was loopy. I had like three or 4 them on the tour bus that I’d rotate. When Black Elvis got here out, the tour went on and reveals had been wall-to-wall packed and I couldn’t imagine that individuals had been popping out to see this wig.

I recall you despatched out an e-mail publication to your followers urging them to put in writing criticism letters or name up Sony’s fice as a result of it didn’t correctly promote Black Elvis. Ced Gee laughs]

Kool Keith: Oh, the e-mail blast. Rather a lot it was that Sony held the album for a very long time and it was the up-top individuals and I had a pair mates like Rich Nice working there. I believe two totally different departments had been preventing over the album, the city division and the choice division. So that was the tug battle over the album. Rich Nice was saying that they didn’t know what division would work the album, and I’m like, “What?” He stated, “Yeah, they’re all attempting to decide.” It was sort numerous so that they didn’t know. They’re those who needed to do the album cowl like that with the futuristic factor, however I had initially deliberate it to be the city Black Elvis. They took it to extra the outer house and the art work however it turned out good and basic for what it’s. It was only a confused advertising and marketing plan. It was really distributed by Ruffhouse.

You had Sadat X as a featured visitor on Black Elvis. For anybody who is aware of Hip Hop, that album ought to’ve been an urban-marketed album primarily based on that alone.

Kool Keith: Yeah, I referred to as him up as a result of I wanted another function. We had Roger Troutman down there. Roger was loopy with the Vocoder and he stated, “Get me one other engineer,” so I had Joe The Butcher to combine the album, and he was like our uncle, proper, Ced?

Ced Gee: Yup!

Kool Keith & Ced Gee On Ultramagnetic MCs’ Early Connections To KRS-One & Public Enemy

What are the following tasks that you’ve slated for 2019?

Kool Keith: I simply did an album with Psycho Les ( The Beatnuts) that’s popping out. I acquired Paul Wall, Jeru The Damaja, Erick Sermon and B-Real from Cypress Hill on it. There’s some dope manufacturing and Psycho Les did the beats. It’s not like I did on Feature Magnetic however it sounds good as a result of The Beatnuts do all kind beats for various individuals, however the album had been extra totally different than the individuals often select. That needs to be proper across the nook subsequent month. Ced’s acquired an album and did stuff he wouldn’t usually do. I did a pair songs with him.

Ced Gee: We attempt to do some bit every thing like he stated. Stuff that’s conventional however extra futuristic. We did so much people who surprises individuals

Kool Keith: Stuff that received’t put us in a field and sells vary.

Ced Gee: We go from outdated to new. We cowl all of the eras after which we go deep and additional than that.

Kool Keith: The album we name Ced Gee’s “Delta” however the level is that we did stuff that we needed to get away from totally different sorts individuals and do on our personal. You should go away from the music trade who so much instances says you must keep at what you do. We needed to eradicate so much infections and go into the studio ourselves.

Ced Gee: We went again to the roots. That’s how we began with simply me and Keith after which introduced everyone alongside. Take it again to the place tear issues down and begin again up.

Kool Keith: We went by what so much teams undergo which was so much dictatorship and we needed to cease that early. Me and Ced had been the music engine the group first as a result of all of the hits on the Critical Beatdown album) like “Ego Trippin’” I acquired. “Funky” and “Give The Drummer Some,” late engineer/producer] Paul C attached, however all the opposite data on the album had been nice, too, however Ced and me had the primary singles. Everybody else did their elements and Moe Love had “Moe Love Is On The Cut” and that was a success DJ file.

The most important basis from once we began was at all times me and Ced.

Ced, your primal affect on sampling James Brown and drum programming in your manufacturing within the mid-80s when Ultramagnetic MCs took f isn’t talked about sufficient. This goes to your affect on Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy’s beats. You and Keith had been additionally in P.E.’s “Black Steel In The Hour Of Chaos” video.

Ced Gee: Oh yeah, there was an actual fireplace at that video shoot.

Really? How’d that occur?

Kool Keith: (Laughs) Ced, how did the hearth begin?

Ced Gee: It was in the course of the riot scene the video. They lit a match to catch fireplace and that shit simply caught onto every thing else. We had been working round pretending like we had been preventing, it was enjoyable. Then they had been like “Yo! We gotta get out, there’s an actual fireplace!” They shut the video down for some time and the hearth division needed to are available. Me, Keith and Flavor] Flav began snapping whereas they had been cleansing up. It was in an outdated deserted jail in Staten Island.

Boogie Down Productions even talked about you of their liner notes Criminal Minded. Legend has it that KRS-One was previously named MC Larry G in an early version Ultramag. Is that true?

Ced Gee: Nah, the factor was that Kris might’ve been a member Ultramagnetic, identical to Keith might’ve been an early member BDP as a result of we had been all working collectively. That’s what that was. Everybody was over on the crib to do issues, and it was extra Keith than Kris for Ultramagnetic. Out the entire batch MCs, Keith and Kris had been the perfect. So it merged right down to Scott La Rock] taking Kris from the individuals he was dealing after which Keith from the individuals he was coping with to make the issues develop to the extent the place they’d be appreciated for his or her abilities.

That’s what occurred.

Kool Keith: Right.

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